In the comments section to our post on Janissaries, reader Kahraman offers this fascinating rebuttal:
The crusaders (catholics) conquered and plundered Constantinopel in the 13th century, killed off most of the inhabitants, and burnt the ayasofia and stole the gold crosses, destroyed the orthodox church.
This is a classic example of a non-sequitor. The subject is whether Islam has a history of forced conversions, not whether the Crusades happened. Any serious student of history knows about the Fourth Crusade (we did a paper on it in college).
These crosses can still be seen, they're in Rome and Venice.
The Ottomans were related by blood with the orthodox dynasty which used to be Emperor in Constantinople. They used their army to claim the throne in the 15th century, in true byzantine fashion. After the conquest, they rebuilt the place, including the orthodox church.
Actually the "true Byzantine fashion" would have involved dizzying political maneuvers, like the ones that caused the Fourth Crusade to miscarry in the first place.
And it is quite common for conquerors to rebuild the places they have taken.
The mamelukes in Egypt were mostly Turkish and Persian. Slavery in a muslim context is very different than that in the west. Slaves were often the kings, queens and rulers of muslim countries. The mamelukes slaves themselves ruled Egypt for 800 years.
Slavery in any context is slavery. The West abolished it. Islam didn't.
To the vienna comment. The Ottoman women, both orthodox and muslim were all raped and killed after the catholics won.That sobieski is blaming the victims for his own raping killing pillaging soldiers.
This seems a bit like the Soviet version of the Katyn massacre.
The purpose of the original post was not to point fingers of guilt but rather to make an obvious point: Islam has a very militaristic bent. Muhammed was a skilled warrior and accomplished conqueror. Jesus was neither.
Thus to claim that Christianity is uniquely militant while Islam is uniquely peaceful is to make a mockery of the truth. What makes tihs worse is that Muslim historians and scholars clearly know better. The Turkish leader who said Islam never spread violently was assuming that his audience was too stupid to know better.
As Mark Steyn has pointed out, the great thing about multiculturalism is that it is fundamentally based on ignorance. No research or understanding required. Crusades = bad, Christianity = bad and one can basically go from there.
One also is bound to accept whatever version of history the non-Western (victim) group wishes to make up. If it is that primitive societies are inherent peaceful, so be it. If it is that Islam is non-violent and has no history of military conquest as a way of spreading itself, that works as well.
A final point about Islam's violent conversion. It is true that Islam, unlike Christianity, tended to tolerate miniority religions to a greater extent (see Spain, the Reconquista). However, the purpose for this tolerance was financial: the dhimmis were an important financial resource. If everyone became Muslim, the Caliphate would go broke.
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